In the very first episode of What It Means to Be Human, hosts Dan Zetterström and Roslyn Mugford set the stage for a podcast that explores UFOs, high strangeness, and the mysteries of consciousness with curiosity and compassion. From personal stories of interviewing Stanton Friedman and filming Phenomenology in Colombia, to reflections on congressional hearings, whistleblower protection, Canada’s own Sky Canada project, and the state of UGOlogy around the world, Dan and Roz dig into why this moment in history matters.
Along the way they introduce ‘UFO or UFNO’, recap the modern day UFO timeline since 2017, and preview upcoming guests including writer Richard Hatem (The Mothman Prophecies) and whale biologist Dr. Michelle Fournet. Part news roundup, part cosmic campfire, The Signal offers both skeptical inquiry and open wonder about what connects us all.
Remember to be curious – the universe is bigger than we know!
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Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction to the Show and Hosts
02:59 – Exploring UFOs & Consciousness
05:58 – Indigenous Perspectives & Cultural Connections
08:57 – “On a scale of 1-10, how much do you believe?”
11:50 – Show Structure and Episode Types to look forward to
13:17 – How to get in touch if you’ve had any supernatural experiences
14:56 – Upcoming interview tease
18:00 – Witness Testimonies & Public Perception
20:38 – UFO or UFno?!
21:12 – UFO timeline from 2017 to now
34:23 – Protecting whistleblowers and witnesses
36:51 – Thoughts on Sept 2025 UFO hearing witnesses
39:03 – Witness Accounts: The Vandenberg UFO Sighting
42:00 – The Importance of Whistleblower Protection
49:44 – UFOs around the world (Canada, UK, Japan, Peru)
56:00 – Global Perspectives on UAP Investigations
01:03:03 – Skinwalker Ranch: New Discoveries and Theories
01:11:02 – UFO or UFno solution
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Music:
Thunderbird
Culver Drive
Hayden Calnin
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