What happens to the human story if we ever get conclusive proof we’re not alone?
This week, we’re joined by comedian, actor, writer, and podcaster Michael Ian Black (Wet Hot American Summer, Have I Got News For Your Ears) for a wide-ranging, deeply human conversation about UFOs/UAP, consciousness, and the strange edges of reality.
Michael shares a high school “orb/fireball” sighting that still haunts him.. made even stranger by the fact that the other witnesses don’t remember it. From there, we go big: why the “nuts and bolts” don’t interest him as much as what the phenomenon means for humanity, how testimony (especially near-death experiences) shifted his worldview, and why the most “prosaic” explanations can be just as mind-blowing as the exotic ones.
We also get into: John Keel, missing time and memory gaps, creativity as a kind of receiver, the collective unconscious, and Michael’s growing discomfort with the politics and personalities orbiting “official disclosure.”
If you like your UFO conversations skeptical, curious, and existential—this one’s for you.
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Chapters
00:00:00 – Intro
00:01:25 – Michael’s Background
00:03:05 – Michael’s UFO Origin story
00:05:45 – Michael’s UFO sighting
00:10:15 – UFOs could redefine who we are
00:13:38 – What is the UFO phenomenon?
00:18:48 – A universe beyond our senses
00:24:49 – The muse, creativity, & the phenomenon
00:30:00 – Are we in a cosmic nursery?
00:32:00 – God, Religion, and worship
00:37:50 – Impact of witness testimony
00:42:00 – ‘Skepticism is your best friend’
00:46:00 – UFO hearings & Government led disclosure
00:50:55 – Grusch’s credibility after Rep Burlison attended UFO conferences with Jaime Mausson (a known hoaxer), appeared on Alex Jones’ InfoWars, and submitted the testimony collected by Dr. Steven Greer into the official Congressional record (Garrett from Patterns Tell Stories Podcast)
00:57:50 Peter Thiel / Palantir & UFOs (Chris Wolford)
01:05:53 – Trust & Truth in the UFO world
01:10:22 – To The Stars Academy / Tom DeLonge
01:12:29 – Will President Trump disclose?
01:14:30 – Could the world handle disclosure?
01:16:57 – AI & Consciousness
01:19:20 – Defining Life
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Music:
Thunderbird
Culver Drive
Hayden Calnin
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